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	<title>Comments on: Text Messaging is a Ripoff</title>
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	<description>far from normal</description>
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		<title>By: BJ</title>
		<link>http://toosigma.com/archive/2008-12-29/text-messaging-is-a-ripoff/comment-page-1/#comment-1706</link>
		<dc:creator>BJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 14:14:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even the monthly plans are a ripoff - just not quite as dramatically as the per-message rates. Taking your example of 3700 messages/month for $10, and assuming your average message is 160 characters (i.e. the maximum for non Verizon-Verizon messages), the math comes out as: $10 / month * 1 month / 3700 messages * 1 message / 160 bytes * 1024 bytes / KB * 1024 KB / MB * 1024 MB / GB = $18,137 per Gigabyte. Compare that to Comcast's price of $0.20 per Gigabyte.

Now let's assume that you are a true texting fiend: using the same $10/month unlimited plan, let's assume you manage to send one text message of maximum size every second of every day for 31 days - that's 2,678,400 messages in a month. Applying the same math as above, you're still paying $25 per Gigabyte - over 100 times what Comcast is charging.

Finally, consider again that we're using Comcast - a pretty notorious monopolist with excessive rates - as our baseline comparison.

My point in presenting this article was not to "poke at companies making too much money" - nor to insinuate that the cell phone providers are somehow required to provide data service at rock-bottom prices, despite their infrastructure and other fixed costs. Rather, my intention was to illuminate the fact that this particular market is effectively a monopoly, or at the very least an oligopoly. The simple fact that the companies can charge such outrageous rates is evidence of that. Given the barriers to entry in this field (the not-insubstantial fixed costs that Tristan alludes to), the likelihood of breaking the monopoly through market forces is unlikely at best. The only thing that stands a reasonable chance is sheer customer outrage or governmental intrusion. And while in most cases, I think the government should keep its grubby nose out of the market, there are some definite exceptions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even the monthly plans are a ripoff - just not quite as dramatically as the per-message rates. Taking your example of 3700 messages/month for $10, and assuming your average message is 160 characters (i.e. the maximum for non Verizon-Verizon messages), the math comes out as: $10 / month * 1 month / 3700 messages * 1 message / 160 bytes * 1024 bytes / KB * 1024 KB / MB * 1024 MB / GB = $18,137 per Gigabyte. Compare that to Comcast&#8217;s price of $0.20 per Gigabyte.</p>
<p>Now let&#8217;s assume that you are a true texting fiend: using the same $10/month unlimited plan, let&#8217;s assume you manage to send one text message of maximum size every second of every day for 31 days - that&#8217;s 2,678,400 messages in a month. Applying the same math as above, you&#8217;re still paying $25 per Gigabyte - over 100 times what Comcast is charging.</p>
<p>Finally, consider again that we&#8217;re using Comcast - a pretty notorious monopolist with excessive rates - as our baseline comparison.</p>
<p>My point in presenting this article was not to &#8220;poke at companies making too much money&#8221; - nor to insinuate that the cell phone providers are somehow required to provide data service at rock-bottom prices, despite their infrastructure and other fixed costs. Rather, my intention was to illuminate the fact that this particular market is effectively a monopoly, or at the very least an oligopoly. The simple fact that the companies can charge such outrageous rates is evidence of that. Given the barriers to entry in this field (the not-insubstantial fixed costs that Tristan alludes to), the likelihood of breaking the monopoly through market forces is unlikely at best. The only thing that stands a reasonable chance is sheer customer outrage or governmental intrusion. And while in most cases, I think the government should keep its grubby nose out of the market, there are some definite exceptions.</p>
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		<title>By: shellie b</title>
		<link>http://toosigma.com/archive/2008-12-29/text-messaging-is-a-ripoff/comment-page-1/#comment-1705</link>
		<dc:creator>shellie b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 07:47:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>so...on average...i send and recieve in the ballpark of 3700 text messages each month...unlimited text fee of $10...and verizon to verizon does not have the 160 160 character limit...so there...ha...chew on that...tee hee...i just have to ruffle your feathers...it's fun....-shell</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so&#8230;on average&#8230;i send and recieve in the ballpark of 3700 text messages each month&#8230;unlimited text fee of $10&#8230;and verizon to verizon does not have the 160 160 character limit&#8230;so there&#8230;ha&#8230;chew on that&#8230;tee hee&#8230;i just have to ruffle your feathers&#8230;it&#8217;s fun&#8230;.-shell</p>
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		<title>By: Tristan Tewksbury</title>
		<link>http://toosigma.com/archive/2008-12-29/text-messaging-is-a-ripoff/comment-page-1/#comment-1704</link>
		<dc:creator>Tristan Tewksbury</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2009 21:00:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not saying that there is not a huge profit margin in text messaging. There is. I have some idea of how much those systems costs -- I do telecom systems for HP :)

However, you are really over simplifying the costs tremendously judging it on a theoretical person who manages to maximize their text message use (without going one message over nor one message under) and figuring the cost from there. That almost never happens. If they go over they pay a higher per-message rate, and if they go under, their cost per message goes up. Those that sign up for a plan that do *not* use all their minutes still get charged, and that extra money subsidizes the actual messages sent.

There are a lot of hardware and maintenance costs, and those are covered by the subscriber fees. Those are not insignificant costs, trust me on that.

Granted, the US is pretty much the only place where you get subscription plans -- the telecom providers love that since under-utilization of a subscription is money in their pocket. Everywhere else in the world is pretty much pay-as-you-go. Much more reasonable for many reasons. Not the least of which is that if a service is not priced right for the consumer, they won't use it and the income drops. 

Thus the carriers have an economic incentive to keep the price low so that more people will use it. That can result in less-than-stellar service sometimes, but they have to cut corners somewhere. Of course, it is not like the US carriers really have that much better service overall, but they do have more redundancy built into their systems. The extra cash flow makes that easier to justify.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not saying that there is not a huge profit margin in text messaging. There is. I have some idea of how much those systems costs &#8212; I do telecom systems for HP <img src='http://toosigma.com/archive/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>However, you are really over simplifying the costs tremendously judging it on a theoretical person who manages to maximize their text message use (without going one message over nor one message under) and figuring the cost from there. That almost never happens. If they go over they pay a higher per-message rate, and if they go under, their cost per message goes up. Those that sign up for a plan that do *not* use all their minutes still get charged, and that extra money subsidizes the actual messages sent.</p>
<p>There are a lot of hardware and maintenance costs, and those are covered by the subscriber fees. Those are not insignificant costs, trust me on that.</p>
<p>Granted, the US is pretty much the only place where you get subscription plans &#8212; the telecom providers love that since under-utilization of a subscription is money in their pocket. Everywhere else in the world is pretty much pay-as-you-go. Much more reasonable for many reasons. Not the least of which is that if a service is not priced right for the consumer, they won&#8217;t use it and the income drops. </p>
<p>Thus the carriers have an economic incentive to keep the price low so that more people will use it. That can result in less-than-stellar service sometimes, but they have to cut corners somewhere. Of course, it is not like the US carriers really have that much better service overall, but they do have more redundancy built into their systems. The extra cash flow makes that easier to justify.</p>
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		<title>By: Philip</title>
		<link>http://toosigma.com/archive/2008-12-29/text-messaging-is-a-ripoff/comment-page-1/#comment-1702</link>
		<dc:creator>Philip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 06:53:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the matter is strictly a question of the quantity of data, why would anyone bother to text at all? What is the cost of not having text message availability for those who are willing to pay for it (thus proclaiming with their cash decision that it is worth the price)? The same could be discussed regarding cell phones or any other convenience technology wherein the value of the convenience to the customer is not properly evaluated. Is it worth the price of receiving a text message to be notified automatically that your flight has been delayed by more than an hour? Ultimately though, what price any non-essential good or service is able to maintain is function of what price enough consumers are willing to pay. The effort used to generate the NY Times article might have been better spent investigating the reasons why someone is willing to pay the prices for texting or why carriers impose data limits to tethering but not to handset data use instead of attacking the companies on the basis that they are making too much money for a successful product under the guise of "awareness". However, poking at companies for making too much money is probably much easier (and possibly safer) than telling consumers in large metropolitan areas with good overall coverage that they are morons for paying $100 or more for an unlimited service plan when they can get the same effective service for $35 with another carrier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the matter is strictly a question of the quantity of data, why would anyone bother to text at all? What is the cost of not having text message availability for those who are willing to pay for it (thus proclaiming with their cash decision that it is worth the price)? The same could be discussed regarding cell phones or any other convenience technology wherein the value of the convenience to the customer is not properly evaluated. Is it worth the price of receiving a text message to be notified automatically that your flight has been delayed by more than an hour? Ultimately though, what price any non-essential good or service is able to maintain is function of what price enough consumers are willing to pay. The effort used to generate the NY Times article might have been better spent investigating the reasons why someone is willing to pay the prices for texting or why carriers impose data limits to tethering but not to handset data use instead of attacking the companies on the basis that they are making too much money for a successful product under the guise of &#8220;awareness&#8221;. However, poking at companies for making too much money is probably much easier (and possibly safer) than telling consumers in large metropolitan areas with good overall coverage that they are morons for paying $100 or more for an unlimited service plan when they can get the same effective service for $35 with another carrier.</p>
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